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		<title>By: Next on the BHS agenda: meeting with superintendent &#8211; Berkeleyside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Next on the BHS agenda: meeting with superintendent &#8211; Berkeleyside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BHS science/equity debate &#8212; the latest &#8211; Berkeleyside</title>
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		<dc:creator>BHS science/equity debate &#8212; the latest &#8211; Berkeleyside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, I should add that if Berkeley had tax revenues anywhere near commensurate with the amount of economic activity and property values within it boarders - which it could have with only slightly diminished capital expenditures by Cal and LBL - our problems re BHS would be entirely political ones of administrators fighting over and abusing too much of a budget.   That the current BHS crisis is being framed around science teaching - an area in which Cal and LBL are strong by international measures - lays bare the injustice we&#039;re living with.  All California and federal tax-payers subsidize those institutions but some animals are more equal than others and Berkeley pays (in real costs and lost opportunity costs) the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, I should add that if Berkeley had tax revenues anywhere near commensurate with the amount of economic activity and property values within it boarders &#8211; which it could have with only slightly diminished capital expenditures by Cal and LBL &#8211; our problems re BHS would be entirely political ones of administrators fighting over and abusing too much of a budget.   That the current BHS crisis is being framed around science teaching &#8211; an area in which Cal and LBL are strong by international measures &#8211; lays bare the injustice we&#8217;re living with.  All California and federal tax-payers subsidize those institutions but some animals are more equal than others and Berkeley pays (in real costs and lost opportunity costs) the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.berkeleyside.com/2009/12/14/science-at-bhs-an-open-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I am not at all convinced that a solution to the problems of BHS under-achievement exists within the range of options of how to run BHS.  Nor do I think it is a viable solution to say &quot;parents should do more&quot;.  This is a community problem and the solutions should involve the whole community (in more ways than just taxation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that I am not at all convinced that a solution to the problems of BHS under-achievement exists within the range of options of how to run BHS.  Nor do I think it is a viable solution to say &#8220;parents should do more&#8221;.  This is a community problem and the solutions should involve the whole community (in more ways than just taxation).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.berkeleyside.com/2009/12/14/science-at-bhs-an-open-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irene, I&#039;m so very glad that an LBL research scientist showed up to this debate here on Berkeleyside (aka, at least to me, for short, &quot;BS&quot; (a short-hand I use fondly and with irony)).  Cutting to the point:

What will it take to created expanded and fairly open access extra-curricular, credit-earning, hands-on lab and science class-room opportunities for BHS students at LBL and Cal?  (Perhaps there are already some?  If so, are they enough and if not what would take to expand them?)

My rationale for asking is that many at Cal and LBL have had and/or are great teachers... and that, I won&#039;t believe the denials, both institutions have the capacity.  What your institutions won&#039;t pay in taxes they ought to give back in community service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irene, I&#8217;m so very glad that an LBL research scientist showed up to this debate here on Berkeleyside (aka, at least to me, for short, &#8220;BS&#8221; (a short-hand I use fondly and with irony)).  Cutting to the point:</p>
<p>What will it take to created expanded and fairly open access extra-curricular, credit-earning, hands-on lab and science class-room opportunities for BHS students at LBL and Cal?  (Perhaps there are already some?  If so, are they enough and if not what would take to expand them?)</p>
<p>My rationale for asking is that many at Cal and LBL have had and/or are great teachers&#8230; and that, I won&#8217;t believe the denials, both institutions have the capacity.  What your institutions won&#8217;t pay in taxes they ought to give back in community service.</p>
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		<title>By: Irene Kuhn, PhD</title>
		<link>http://www.berkeleyside.com/2009/12/14/science-at-bhs-an-open-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene Kuhn, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Lawrence Berkeley National Lab research scientist and trainer of undergraduate UCB students, and as a contributor to the additional property taxes required to support Berkeley schools, I strongly support science education and in particular lab courses of sufficient length at Berkeley High.  I thank Priscilla Myrick for her informative overview of the situation, and also thank Lee Trampleasure for his comments.  While I empathize with highschool instructors in their dilemma of learning how to teach in limited time, Mr. Trampleasure fails to note that opening a book in English class is less complex that setting up to do a wet lab experiment, and it is this difference that justifies a longer time period for science labs.  There is no substitute for hands-on science labs, and we cannot afford to weaken the science education currently offered in our nation at any level or at any location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Lawrence Berkeley National Lab research scientist and trainer of undergraduate UCB students, and as a contributor to the additional property taxes required to support Berkeley schools, I strongly support science education and in particular lab courses of sufficient length at Berkeley High.  I thank Priscilla Myrick for her informative overview of the situation, and also thank Lee Trampleasure for his comments.  While I empathize with highschool instructors in their dilemma of learning how to teach in limited time, Mr. Trampleasure fails to note that opening a book in English class is less complex that setting up to do a wet lab experiment, and it is this difference that justifies a longer time period for science labs.  There is no substitute for hands-on science labs, and we cannot afford to weaken the science education currently offered in our nation at any level or at any location.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Trampleasure</title>
		<link>http://www.berkeleyside.com/2009/12/14/science-at-bhs-an-open-letter/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Trampleasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been meaning to weigh in on this topic, but with finals coming up haven&#039;t had much time, but some comments can&#039;t be left un-answered:

Ms. Myrick wrote:
&quot;Since elimination of double period science in 2003, achievement has declined.  For example, in chemistry the percent of students proficient declined from 48 % in 2003 to 37% proficient in 2009.  In order to maintain the quality of the current program existing labs MUST be retained.  Students need more time in class/labs, not less.&quot;

I taught science at BHS from 1996 to 2004. I taught both double-period and single-period &quot;college prep&quot; courses (Integrated Science 3-4 was BHS&#039;s only single period UC lab science at the time). I left to write curriculum at Lawrence Hall of Science. I am now teaching in another Bay Area high school.

When we moved from double-period science classes to the current single-period plus one lab/week schedule (I was still at BHS at this time), many science teachers claimed that we could not possibly teach the science curriculum in that amount of time. My response was &quot;ask a social studies teacher, as an English teacher, ask any other teacher if s/he can get through the state mandated curriculum in a single period, and if they would like double periods.&quot; Clearly, the more time you have with students, the more they can learn. But to say &quot;we need more time than other disciplines&quot; does not take the entire school into consideration. Everyone could use more time, and if science classes get more time, it comes out of students other times.

So, yes, if you take away time from students in one discipline, you should expect their achievement to decline. But that does not mean that you must keep the imbalance of time in that discipline.

Most high school science teachers teach their curriculum in single periods, and manage to fit in a significant amount of lab time. In fact, the proposed bell schedule I saw posted included 58 minute classes, thus allowing more time for labs than the traditional ~45 minute class periods. I know there are teachers who don&#039;t do many labs during their &quot;normal&quot; class time, and this is a shame. The state requirement that 20-40% of class time is in hands-on lab is there because students learn and retain more when they get their hands on materials in well-designed lab. And it does not require an additional lab period--I have been complying with this requirement for 15 years, and I am not the only teacher in California doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to weigh in on this topic, but with finals coming up haven&#8217;t had much time, but some comments can&#8217;t be left un-answered:</p>
<p>Ms. Myrick wrote:<br />
&#8220;Since elimination of double period science in 2003, achievement has declined.  For example, in chemistry the percent of students proficient declined from 48 % in 2003 to 37% proficient in 2009.  In order to maintain the quality of the current program existing labs MUST be retained.  Students need more time in class/labs, not less.&#8221;</p>
<p>I taught science at BHS from 1996 to 2004. I taught both double-period and single-period &#8220;college prep&#8221; courses (Integrated Science 3-4 was BHS&#8217;s only single period UC lab science at the time). I left to write curriculum at Lawrence Hall of Science. I am now teaching in another Bay Area high school.</p>
<p>When we moved from double-period science classes to the current single-period plus one lab/week schedule (I was still at BHS at this time), many science teachers claimed that we could not possibly teach the science curriculum in that amount of time. My response was &#8220;ask a social studies teacher, as an English teacher, ask any other teacher if s/he can get through the state mandated curriculum in a single period, and if they would like double periods.&#8221; Clearly, the more time you have with students, the more they can learn. But to say &#8220;we need more time than other disciplines&#8221; does not take the entire school into consideration. Everyone could use more time, and if science classes get more time, it comes out of students other times.</p>
<p>So, yes, if you take away time from students in one discipline, you should expect their achievement to decline. But that does not mean that you must keep the imbalance of time in that discipline.</p>
<p>Most high school science teachers teach their curriculum in single periods, and manage to fit in a significant amount of lab time. In fact, the proposed bell schedule I saw posted included 58 minute classes, thus allowing more time for labs than the traditional ~45 minute class periods. I know there are teachers who don&#8217;t do many labs during their &#8220;normal&#8221; class time, and this is a shame. The state requirement that 20-40% of class time is in hands-on lab is there because students learn and retain more when they get their hands on materials in well-designed lab. And it does not require an additional lab period&#8211;I have been complying with this requirement for 15 years, and I am not the only teacher in California doing so.</p>
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