To JESSE: I apologize I didn’t complete the sentence. What I asked you was that if the roles were reversed, and a white Christian male did what Zakaria did, to a muslim girl, are you going to tell me with a straight face, that CNN, MSNBC, CAIR would not be going absolutely crazy??

And for the record, I’m against ANYBODY laying a finger on anyone. If a Christian male hit a Muslim girl, he should be jailed and punished IMMEDIATELY. There is no place in America for stuff like that, which is why i dont understand the few people who are defending what zakaria did.

Wow! Thanks for the follow up. The interesting bit is the “supports the efforts” — does that mean they are funding the lawsuit?

@Clint – It appears her lawsuit against the individual was thrown out, which likely speaks as to the legitimacy of the claims made. This is a totally separate issue whereas she’s seeking damages against an institution of the US Government, apparently on behalf of the State of Israel. That’s a very different situation from the original lawsuit.

But I do appreciate you proudly modeling and trotting your hatred out for all to see.
There is a sickness in our country.
you are butt a symptom.

btw: neal sher has also posted this story EVERYWHERE!
Who is neal sher?
hmmm…besides one of the litigants….

BK: Sher is council, not litigant.

All: According to a blog post apparently by him – Zarkharia is not Muslim (not that that should matter to the case at hand) but was born and baptized a Palestinian christian, since declared as atheist.

There is a lot of legal “back story” or “context” to this case which is quite interesting but which there is zero chance of discussing in the comments here because a few people supposedly on both “sides” effectively troll and shout down so much. So, this isn’t the right form of forum to shed much light on this: One side or the other or both aims to shut down discussion by rhetorical thuggery. The irony in relation to the conflict “over there” is hard to miss.

Trolling is in the eye of the betrollder, bruce.
Sometimes the one calling people trolls *is* actually the troll.
Clint seems to meet the reqs.
I provide facts. Not hate.

@Name Withheld – Uh, correct? A US Government employee is an Agent of the US Government.

Vladislav Davidzon says: “It appears her lawsuit against the individual was thrown out, which likely speaks as to the legitimacy of the claims made.”

It appears that the courts saw fit to award her with a restraining order against Husam Zakharia as a result of his actions, which likely speaks to the legitimacy of the claims made.

BK: I was not calling you a troll. I thought you were on a right track other than I wanted to correct that Sher is council, not litigant. I crammed a separate response in the same reply. The separate response was to a general “all:” . That may have made it falsely seem like I was trying to talk to “all:” about “bk”. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

[quote]BK says:
March 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

“Clint. are you catholic?
you know? one of those child molesters?”[/quote]

And with that, I think we’ve reached the point where comments need to be locked.
This discussion is even more off track than usual.

OK Bruce. Pardon.
I don’t know my legalese.

Vladislav Davidzon says: Uh, correct? [Meter maids] are Agents of the US Government.”

No, Vlad, they are EMPLOYEES of the US Government.
Your use of the word “agent” is a rabid idealogue’s attempt to undermine someone you disagree with by hinting that they are some sort of spies whose actions are being controlled by a foreign government.

Considering that you have no problem using fabricated quotes to back up your “arguments” in your blog, I have no idea why you think anyone would believe a word you write.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Ouze_Merham_interview_of_Ariel_Sharon

PS: meter maids are neither employees nor agents of the US government. They are employees of local governments.

Name withheld=obvious partisan
You have a problem with me but Clint is ok.
Thanks
Tells me all I need to know.

When did I say that Clint’s comments were acceptable? I was working on a post earlier chastising Clint for his sweeping generalizations about Muslims (and his assumption that all Palestinians are automatically Muslims) when Frances asked some of us to stop posting.

I had planned on retiring from this thread for good, but some of the grotesquely misleading and bigoted things I found in Vladislav Davidzon’s blog and your thuggish jackassery was too much to leave without response.

@Name Withheld – Were you the one that just e-mailed my employer to try to get me fired for me political views? That was pretty funny.

Let me be clear: I will not be intimidated, and I will continue to post under my real name (unlike yourself) to make that very clear. I am also Jewish, but nice try accusing me of being an anti-Semite. Save the self-hating Jew stuff for another time too while you’re at it.

@ Vlad — Along with your use of fabricated quotes to back up your positions, the information on your blog suggests that you are self-employed, so why would I e-mail your employer?

@ BK — Correct. Bigots tend to use the same tactics. You should see lots of similarities between the actions of the WBC and your posts here.

Okay, so I’ve read the posts I’ve missed since mid-day. I’m confused. Clint suggested that the pro-Palestine “side” didn’t speak out about anti-woman violence in muslim societies/cultures. I posted the results of a quick google search showing that the U.S.’s major muslim civil rights organization supports gender equality.

I don’t know what I’m supposed to do- keep on answering more questions from Clint about what I personally think the mass media would or would not do? (Okay, I do know- it’s not related to this article, so I’m gonna stop)

Plus, Clint (or others who agree with him) didn’t respond to my questions specific to the situation mentioned in the article (What is their preferred outcome? What would they like to have seen UC do instead?) …

Related to this article:
Thanks for linking to the short interview w/ the woman’s lawyer on David Horowitz’s website. http://frontpagemag.com/2011/03/08/berkeley-on-trial-over-jewish-students-assault/

That’s pretty revealing. It seems like, as Bruce suggested above, that the proposed remedy is a determination that strident campus activism against the current Israeli government’s Palestinian policy equals anti-semitism (hate speech), and is therefore a danger to other members of the campus. Unfortunately for the plaintiff, long-standing Constitutional First Amendment precedent holds that unpopular speech is protected. Additionally, the reality of many anti-Israeli-government-policy-in-Palestine activists being Jewish (see: Jewish Voice For Peace http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ ) muddies the claims of plaintiff’s lawyer that Jews as a class are negatively impacted by such activism.

I’d be pretty unhappy with a government who chose to restrict the breadth of acceptable speech. The ACLU and other civil rights groups have gone to the mat for the free speech rights of truly despicable groups like the frickin’ American nazis and Westboro Baptist. I fully support this- I want cockroaches like the nazis & theocratic fascists of whatever religion exposed to the bright, unblinking light of the press, including news sites like Berkeleyside. (I am not suggesting that either “side” in this article are cockroaches, by the way)

“Clint suggested that the pro-Palestine ‘side’ didn’t speak out about anti-woman violence in muslim societies/cultures.”

I don’t want to put words in Clint’s mouth, but I think he was questioning why the people in these pro-Palestinian clubs were not protesting against injustice in Muslim countries with the same fervor that they protest against injustice in Israel.

I saw someone comment that a restraining order issued on behalf of Felber was evidence of her letigimacy and just had to comment. Restraining orders are a joke. The legal threshold for issuance of said order is the equivalent of “meh, why not”? Restraining orders are considered non-judicial and not punishments, per say. The reason they are issued so readily has more to do with politics and money than law. Feminists’ lobbying has seen to this. Restraining orders are, as I said, issued with a rubber stamp. David Letterman had a restraining order taken out against him by a woman in Arizona who said he was harassing her through the TV. Restraining orders are also commonly used by women in divorce proceedings. They get the garbage order simply by asking for it, saying they are “fearful” or some other empty, subjective argument. Then, they turn around and use said order to say, “look, I’ve got a restraining order, see, I’m telling the truth”. It’s a game; and, a game primarily used by women against men. I’m not saying some women don’t get legitimate restraining orders that are useful and proper. I am, however, saying, that due to the common corruption of this crap document, to believe it is relevant or significant on the face of it is to be stupid or ideological.

The writer left out the important bit that the charges against Zakharia were =dropped=.
Further, the reporter didn’t press Ms. Felber regarding the distinction between her practice of Judaism and support for the political state of Israel’s policies. Many apologists for the state of Israel intentionally conflate opposition to Israel with antisemitism. Particularly on the UC campuses.

I sincerely hope the judge sees reason and doesn’t make the UC Regents spend hard-to-come-by state money on such a ridiculous lawsuit.

I’m guessing you’ve never lived in fear of “peace-loving” Palestinians lobbing rockets at your home or blowing themselve up in public places.  Just as Arab terrorists use their own as human shields, the Arab world uses the Palestinian “cause” as a weapon to destroy Israel.                

On her Facebook page she says that one who inspires her philosophically/politically is —>
Avraham Stern, alias Yair (December 23, 1907 – February 12, 1942) was a Jewish paramilitary leader who founded and led the militant Zionist organization later known as Lehi (called the “Stern Gang” by the British colonial authorities and by their assistants in the Yishuv establishment).

The Stern gang was a internaqtionally known extrem-rightist, pro-fascist Jewish  terrorist organisation that killed many hundreds of Palestinians, British and … also Jewish immigrants. Not better than Hamas, maybe worse. Begin and Shamir were both terrorist leaders connected to Stern …

Now the question is: who should be rather protected: Jessica by the U. president or the campus from her ????

We know the MSA is directly linked to the evil and violent Muslim Brotherhood. I’m curious to know who’s behind the SJP. At any rate if the terrorist guy actually hit the Jewish girl with a shopping cart he should be prosecuted for sure. As far as the University sharing responsibility, that depends on whether or not this was an isolated incident or something the terrorist guy or his group have done more than once to Jewish students. At the very least the terrorist guy should be warned by the University that if something like this happens again he and his group will be expelled. The University should have a zero tolerance policy for terrorist activity