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The Berkeley Wire: 04.25.12

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  • batard

    Ask them where they pooped tonight.   Was it in the Haste St. garage next to the UCB daycare?  Was it in your bushes? 

    Why do we celebrate these clowns.

  • EarlyMorningCoffee

    Are these two the guys that go riffling through my recycle bins at 4 am every morning and wake me up? Such jerks.

  • Bruce Love

    There being such interest in Hate — and such apparent ignorance about who he is — I thought I’d pass on this link which gives a little bit of a sense:

    http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/hate-man/Content?oid=2491949&showFullText=true

    People who want to ask stupid questions that reveal more about their own prejudices than anything else — like where did he poop last night or was he making noise at 4AM — I’d suggest you go meet him and ask directly.  Might do you some good.

    (I don’t know of any good articles about “twofer”.)

  • guest

    The ugliest side of Berkeley–thanks but no thanks.

  • Tired of the open ward

    Since you’re so enamoured of Hate, I suggest you step over him with your toddler when he’s crashed out stinking on the parking-structure stairs next to the UCB daycares. It’s a charming thing to expose a kid to. If you’re curious, he often naps off whatever the f he’s on on the northwest stair landing. Visit him there. Maybe it’ll do YOU some good.

  • Bruce Love

    Since you’re so enamoured of Hate, I suggest you step over him with your
    toddler when he’s crashed out stinking on the parking-structure stairs
    next to the UCB daycares. It’s a charming thing to expose a kid to. If
    you’re curious, he often naps off whatever the f he’s on on the
    northwest stair landing. Visit him there. Maybe it’ll do YOU some good.

    Why do you believe he’s “on” anything like that?   Why are you afraid to have your toddler near someone who is napping (other than you have paranoid and wrong guesses about why he is napping)?

    Reality doesn’t conform to your bigotry in this area.   I’d be far more worried about the negative impacts on your toddler of your unchecked bigotry than I’d worry about Hate’s impact.

  • Charles_Siegel

    From the article:

    “One weekend while stoned at a street fair, Hate slipped and fell off
    of a fire hydrant and hurt his back. The next day he went to work to
    tender his resignation — without speaking. …Hate said his editors didn’t want to give him severance lest it open
    the door for other stoners. Instead, they tried to fire him. In protest,
    Hate sat on the sidewalk in front of the Times building for seven hours the next day, barefoot and wearing blue jeans.

    Eventually, a cop asked what he was doing, and when Hate didn’t
    respond, the officer thought he was being snotty and dragged him inside
    the lobby. He remembers seeing two of his reflections in the double
    revolving doors. “It was like a movie-type image,” he said, recalling
    the incident as though it happened yesterday.”

    It sounds psychotic (or at least borderline) that he did this without speaking and that, while he was being dragged by the police, the thing that impressed him most was his movie-like double reflection in a revolving door. 

    The first sentence, about his falling when he was stoned, is an interesting addition to the discussion of the side-effects of medical marijuana that we had a couple of days ago – and on Bruce’s claim at the time that marijuana reduces the risk of accident when you are driving.

  • Bruce Love

     Again, Charles, where is your critical thinking?  C’mon man, keep it interesting — don’t go for cheap shots!

    The story of Hate leaving the N.Y. Times took place in 1970.   The story comes to us as the East Bay Express writer’s paraphrase of Hate’s 2012 verbal recounting.

    On the basis of this you are offering a psychological diagnosis and a claim about the safety of marijuana.   I mean, really — that’s ridiculous.

    I hate you.

  • MFox327

    It’s easy to read that article and come to the conclusion that Hate is really just a washed out asshole. Really easy.

  • Anonymous

     Acid/LSD is most likely what caused his psychotic break, not marijuana.

  • Nick Taylor

    I for one am tired of having to put up with the non-stop smoking pot and tobacco in public places, including the plaza by the downtown Berkeley BART station, while stoners sit and camp with open sleeping bags all day on the sidewalk. Clearly they are within the 30 feet of an entrances to multiple businesses. So while I’m having lunch, they smoke and all the fumes/smoke are sucked right into the businesses where others are. Enforcement? What’s that? We’re in BERKELEY! The only thing we enforce is parking meters.

  • Charles_Siegel

     I agree.  I didn’t mean that marijuana caused his psychosis.  Just that is caused him to fall. I was talking about two separate things.

  • Charles_Siegel

     “The story of Hate leaving the N.Y. Times took place in 1970.   The story
    comes to us as the East Bay Express writer’s paraphrase of Hate’s 2011
    verbal recounting.”

    And the Express writer says that the most vivid part of Hate’s vivid experience, which he remembers after 41 years, is his double reflection in the revolving door.  That shows a strong disconnect from reality at the time. 

    However, now that you have said you hate me, we can be friends.  All this time, I have just been mislead by the fact that you call yourself Bruce Love.

  • Bruce Love

    And the Express writer says that the most vivid part of Hate’s vivid experience, which he remembers after 41 years, is his double reflection in the revolving door.

    I think we’re up to quadruple reflection, here.

  • PragmaticProgressive

    Hear hear!

  • Tired of the open ward

    Why do I believe it? Because he often smells of marijuana smoke. And if it’s bigotry to  not want to explain to my toddler why a filthy, mumbling heap of a person is crashed out next to his school, then call me a bigot. The homeless people infesting the campus area scare hell out of visitors and kids alike. Not all are harmless cranks. I’ve been mugged by one, cursed and sexually harassed by many others. My husband’s been physically attacked by one in front of our kid. Oh wait, I guess that must be because we’re paranoid bigots, so we deserved it?

    Do you really think it’s a great idea to have mentally unstable people who can barely care for themselves stumbling around town and passing out in public, in the name of some warped form of “tolerance”? Evidently, you do. No wonder, with thinking like yours, Telegraph and Shattuck are such wastelands. 

    Now tell me to move to Danville, okay? That’s where your thinking goes next, I suspect.

  • Bruce Love

     I hope you’ll notice that you’re talking about some broad category of people that exists mostly in your own head.   You’ve decided you can pick out members of this group on sight.  You’ve decided Hate is a member.   You regard the entire group as sub-human.   You’re in favor of collective punishment of this group whose specific identity you imagine.

    As for “filthy” — Hate is reasonably clean, although I think his nails get pretty gross, if you ask me.  I had a boss like that once, too.   His apparent fitness, for his age, is pretty amazing, not least considering his tobacco habit. 

    As for “not all are harmless cranks” — well, sure, that’s true of the effete and socially inept parts of the middle class that have offensively exaggerated senses of entitlement, too.   We can stereotype back and forth this way forever, if you think it’ll help.   But do you really think it will?

    As for “My husband’s been physically attacked….”.   Are you saying it was Hate Man what did it?   You should see what the bad cops do, too.   And that’s kind of the flip side of your rant.  The way you stereotype and overgeneralize and generally hate on “the street” based on a few bad samples?   There are some on the street who do the same in reverse based on a few bad cops.    I’d say the two sides are equally justified.

    As for “Oh wait, I guess that must be because we’re paranoid bigots, so we deserved it?”   Of course nobody deserves physical attack.   Nobody deserves the transference of assigned guilt you are making, from your assailant to Hate Man, either.

    As for “Do you really think it’s a great idea to have mentally unstable people
    who can barely care for themselves stumbling around town and passing out
    in public”  Many of us would be so lucky as to be as well preserved as he, at the same age.

    As for “Now tell me to move to Danville, okay?”   I don’t think that would help you so I won’t suggest that you do it.

  • Tired of the open ward

    Oh, for god’s sake. I assume you’re not a troll, just a fool. 

    I don’t want aggressive/unable-to-care-for-themselves homeless punished. I DO believe that they should be hospitalized, not that any place in the country will generate the cojones to reinstate involuntary hospitalization for longer than a holding period.

    And I DO believe that the worship of Hate Man as some kind of innocent pure savage is a corollary of the town’s unwillingness/inability to deal with the homeless. Look, I don’t want your “well-preserved” Hippy King or his followers shitting on the stairwell next to my kid’s school or yelling obscenities at passersby. This seems, really, not to much to ask in any town.

    Maybe you could set up a Bruce Love Bide-a-Wee for “The Street” in your very own home. I bet you’d last two minutes.

  • Charles_Siegel

     Bruce has a very obvious double standard. 

    Some people can do no wrong, and he will defend them no matter how destructive and self-destructive their behavior is.

    Other people can do no right, and he will attack them as bigots even if they just want to take their kids to day care without having to step over a body.

    He claims your bigotry harms your child, but he doesn’t mention how Hate’s behavior (described in the article) affected his child.  He seems to have infinitely low standards for the homeless and infinitely high standards for everyone else. 

    He also does not seem to know the definition of bigot:
    A bigot
    is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from
    their own or intolerant of people of different political views,
    ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.

    It doesn’t say anything about a bigot being someone who is intolerant of people who smoke too much, drink too much, or do drugs too much for their own good.

  • Bruce Love

     

    And I DO believe that the worship of Hate Man as some kind of innocent pure savage

    That’s a stupid mis-characterization of reality.   It’s bigotry. 

    If I were to stoop to the level of civility you’re displaying here I’d have to start by telling you to go to hell.   I don’t think that would be “in bounds” here, except when people like you do it against third parties, anonymously.

  • Tired of the open ward

    Charles offered a useful definition of bigotry, and of your thinking process, below, so I refer you to his post. 

    Off to look at the owl chick. I suspect it has quite a few more operative neurons, and a more useful role in the community, than you do. 

    Don’t forget to hug a drunk on your way home, Love Man.

  • Bruce Love

     

    Bruce has a very obvious double standard. 

    Some people can do no wrong, and he will defend them no matter how destructive and self-destructive their behavior is.

    You have a problem of attributing to me views I do not hold and did not express.  You generally seem smarter than that, so I now doubt that you are speaking with intellectual honesty.   So I guess we’re done here.

  • South Berk

    Oh STFU, “bruce love” and would you please stop dominating what could be a real community discussion? I love reading Berkeleyside, these guys are making some real journalism in an environment where that in an endangered species. But it’s really beginning to seem like a forum for a crank/troll who–honestly man?–is championing “Hate Man”? Oh Christ. You should move to Danville. Please. I feel sorry for the B-Side writers whose hard work is being derailed.

  • Anonymous

    “I assume you’re not troll, just a fool.”

    In “Bruce’s” case those aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. He’s the best argument I’ve ever heard for not giving public library computers Internet access. I’m nearly convinced that he’s some sort of Rush Limbaugh caricature of a Berkeley liberal that has come to life.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you. As someone who actually pays money every month to berkeleyside I wish “Bruce” would discover 4chan where he could troll in peace.

  • batard

    Seriously, I declare the month of May “Bruce STFU Month” .. I’ve never seen a bigger armchair ‘expert’ in all my USENET years.  

  • Anonymous

    Archimedes Plutonium could but Archimedes was at least entertaining had some originality and style.  “Bruce” is just a tired old stereotype.

    This is a great example of how unusable these web forums are compared to usenet or even a well-run mailinglist.

  • Bruce Love

     And so Berkeleyside continues its fine, fine tradition of creating an environment where anonymous hate speech thrives in the comments.

  • The Sharkey

    I’ve always thought of the story of Hate Man as a warning against dropping Acid. Sort of a counter to the “doing LSD is the best thing I ever did in my life” cult of Steve Jobs story.

    Here’s a guy who was a smart go-getter who had a promising life ahead of him, and he started experimenting with drugs and dropped Acid once and it totally derailed his life and basically destroyed who he was as a person. Now someone who might have been an award-winning journalist is slowly wasting away in the streets eating out of trash cans.

    It’s a sad story, really.

  • Biker 94703

     You obviously didn’t read alt.talk.bizarre

  • Anonymous

     They are just taking their medicine and using traditional Native American plants.  Why are you so anti-compassion?

  • een

    “They”

  • een

    “They”, the ones who camp out in downtown Berkeley are aggressive, loud, dirty, and act like there is a never-ending party going on. I have a great deal of empathy for the homeless, and I have not lost the fact that they are human beings. I say good morning and smile as I walk by. However, I have decided to no longer walk my dogs near these encampments around Allston/Shattuck because of many too many incidents where some of their dogs, unleashed and unattended, have lashed out at my dogs. Also, the trash that is left behind is disgusting. So much for the recent Berkeley “cleanup” of the downtown. It has gotten worse in the last week, and I have no desire any more to wade through the muck to buy something in these stores or walk through the downtown area.